Friday Feature Author Interview #2 with Elise Cooper: Only Cry for the Living and Afghanistan by Hollie S. McKay

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Hollie S. McKay is an investigative and international affairs/war journalist who has written two non-fiction books, Only Cry for The Living and Afghanistan and a novel, Dictator’s Wife. She has put her life on the line as she worked on the frontlines of several major war zones including in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.  Her books cover terrorism, and crimes against humanity.

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Book Description

Only once in a lifetime does a war so brutal erupt. A war that becomes an official genocide, causes millions to run from their homes, compels the slaughtering of thousands in the most horrific of ways, and inspires terrorist attacks to transpire across the world.

That is the chilling legacy of the ISIS onslaught, and Only Cry for the Living takes a profoundly personal, unprecedented dive into one of the most brutal terrorist organizations in the world.

Journalist Hollie S. McKay offers a raw, on-the-ground journey chronicling the rise of ISIS in Iraq—exposing the group’s vast impact and how and why it sought to wage terror on civilians in a desperate attempt to create an antiquated “caliphate.”

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Elise’s Thoughts

Only Cry for The Living takes readers on a journey of ISIS as it commits torture, rape, murder, and genocide. McKay provides a profoundly personal insight into the rise of ISIS in Iraq, exposing the desperate pursuit of a barbaric “caliphate” at the expense of innocent lives.

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Overnight, Afghanistan dramatically transformed. One chapter – a twenty-year epoch heralded by the attacks of September 11, the U.S. invasion and propping up an ailing government – shuttered on August 15, 2021. Another entirely new – albeit old – chapter flipped open under the stringent ruling of the Taliban.

Officially termed the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, it’s a government that triggers immense fear among the population, having reigned with an iron fist pre-9/11 and waged a brutal insurgency from the mountaintops that claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of Afghans and foreigners.

Veteran war reporters – writer Hollie McKay and photographer Jake Simkin – walk you through the fall of the U.S. and the rise of the Taliban, drawing you into the minds of the new regime and into the hearts of the Afghanistan people.

“Afghanistan: The End of the U.S. Footprint and the Rise of the Taliban Rule” is a chilling bloody, yet beautiful visual expedition through one of the most magical yet wounded parcels of the planet. It is a place where poppies grow wild and men in the mountains cradle guns like children. It’s a place where kites fly high, and everyone has a war story, even though most never chose to go to war.

Welcome to Afghanistan after the cataclysmic fall. The band-aid over the bullet wound has been ripped off, and “Afghanistan” will guide you into the maze of dust, debris and delicacy the way no journalistic endeavor has done before.

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Elise’s Thoughts

Afghanistan, written by McKay with the photographs of Jake Simkin, delves into the fall of the U.S. and the rise of the Taliban, including how women lost any rights gained while the Americans were there.

Both books interviewed those who have been the perpetrators and the victims that describe the true horrors of what happened.  The best summary is from Jocko Willink, a retired Navy SEAL, “She gives us all a better understanding of war and human nature.”

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Author Interview

Elise Cooper: Can you explain your quote about how the rule of law is lost in a war zone?

Hollie S. McKay:  In the book on Afghanistan, I have this quote. “The budding and innocent always bear the brunt of war in its height and aftermath.” In the book on ISIS I have this quote, “If only the victims could tell the world what was happening to them, somehow it would all change the world.” These quotes emphasized how those in these situations feel incredibly powerless with a sense of injustice. Unfortunately, the perpetrators never have any accountability. I think telling the victims stories offers a sense of justice that they will never receive from the courts.  I am hoping that people might understand on a microlevel what happened and maybe it will spur action.

EC: I wonder where the feminists are with all three brutal attacks on women by Hamas on October 7th, what the Taliban has done in Afghanistan, or ISIS in Iraq.  Please comment.

HSM: Women were raped, tortured, and had their freedoms taken away. There is an overarching narrative where people do not want to be perceived of being derogatory to a different culture. There are situations in life, these being one of them, where people need to culturally offend for any change to a happen.  Women should not be MIA but should speak out about any cultural practices that are inherently wrong.  More than 150 years ago there was a practice in Hinduism that was called SAATI. Basically, if the men did something wrong or died for whatever reason, they would burn the wives under the belief her life was meaningless without a husband. When the Brits came into India, they said they would kill anyone who practiced this and put a stop to it. My point being that people must step up.  Another example, in Afghanistan, had little boys taken, dressed up as girls, and raped. It was a real mistake that the US did not clamp down on this practice.  In fact, in 2014/15 a Green Beret was court martialed because he beat up an Afghan police commander he found doing it. He went through a trial and was discharged. That never should have happened.  Eventually the charges were dropped and the decision reversed after public outcry. People need to speak out when they know something is inherently wrong, and that is just what he did.

EC: Why do you think the Taliban and ISIS allowed you to interview people and observe?

HSM: I was not treated like ‘their women.’  They recognize I was a western woman that has a different lifestyle and beliefs.  Obviously, I was not a man.  It was an arbitrary middle ground, which is quite advantageous in these places.  I could go and sit with the men but also could sit with the women, which my male colleagues cannot do. In a way I had access others did not because of the middle ground.

EC: What about the Kurd fighters who are women?

HSM:  It is a fascinating story. The PKK fought against Turkey but also ISIS. They have a Marxist point of view.  They feel women and men are equal in the way that they fight. There are others like the Sun Ladies in Iraq where thousands were taken and used as sex slaves or killed. A number managed to escape but there are still a number still missing. A lot of those women joined the fight because they felt they could not rely on anyone else for their protection. Their motivation was to protect themselves. Generally, the Kurds have more of an open mind then other Sunni Muslims in that region. Another motivation was that these women knew that the extremists believed if they were killed by a woman they would not go to paradise. This put an extra layer of fear to the ISIS terrorists.

EC: What about the US pull out in Afghanistan?

HSM: In Afghanistan a lot of women cannot be educated anymore.  A large amount of the poverty level is represented by women. Currently, women have no rights to do anything. Women who want freedom and education, feel a sense of abandonment.  At some point there was needed a significant draw down by the American forces. What was frustrating was to see the Afghan Army throw down the weapons and give up the fight considering the training they had. During the evacuation there were able bodied muscular strength men filling the planes because they pushed through that gate above women and children. The evacuation did not need to happen the way it happened.

EC: Does Hamas, ISIS and the Taliban have the same goals?

HSM: Hamas relies on Iran for funding.  The Taliban are a little more on their own without the global funding that Hamas has.  Their objectives are different.  The Taliban is focused on their own border while Hamas wants to eliminate Israel. In terms of extremism both have a Sharia Law system that is brutal. ISIS has the objective to broaden their Caliphate.

EC: What do you want readers to get out of the books?

HSM: I want people to care about everything happening. But human nature has a limit to deal with all the tragedy in the world and the Middle East region.  People also get jaded. I wanted to find the micro stories that can tell a micro picture that people can relate to on a personal level. Statistics and numbers can be very desensitizing. People can understand the conflict in a broader way. I wanted to put the human face to the number. It is impossible for Americans to live in a bubble. It is important to understand the way the enemy thinks and the way they see the world.

EC: Are you writing another book?

HSM: I have a book with my agent delving into mothers in war, in crisis, and in conflict. It expanded twelve different countries from Yemen, El Salvador, Taiwan, Syria, North Korea, and Israel.

THANK YOU!!

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BIO: Elise Cooper has written book reviews and interviewed best-selling authors since 2009. Her reviews have covered several different genres, including thrillers, mysteries, women’s fiction, romance and cozy mysteries. An avid reader, she engages authors to discuss their works, and to focus on the descriptions of their characters and the plot. While not writing reviews, Elise loves to watch baseball and visit the ocean in Southern California, with her dog and husband.

Friday Feature Author Interview with Elise Cooper: Midnight Flyboys by Bruce Henderson

Book Description

The untold history of a top-secret operation in the run-up to D-Day in which American flyers and Allied spies carried out some of the most daring cloak-and-dagger operations of World War II.

In 1943, the OSS—precursor to the CIA—came up with a plan to increase its support to the French resistance forces that were fighting the Nazis. To start, the OSS recruited some of the best American bomber pilots and crews to a secret airfield twenty miles west of London and briefed them on the intended mission. Given a choice to stay or leave, every airman volunteered for what became known as Operation Carpetbagger.

Their dangerous plan called for a new kind of flying: taking their B-24 Liberator bombers in the middle of the night across the English Channel and down to extremely low altitudes in Nazi-occupied France to find drop zones in dark fields. On the ground, resistance members waited to receive steel containers filled with everything from rifles and hand grenades to medicine and bicycle tires. Some nights, the flyers also dropped Allied secret agents by parachute to assist the French partisans.

Though their story remained classified for more than fifty years, the Carpetbaggers ultimately received a Presidential Unit Citation from the US military, which declared: “it is safe to say that no group of this size has made a greater contribution to the war effort.” Along with other members of the wartime OSS, they were also awarded the Congressional Gold Medal.

Based on exclusive research and interviews, the definitive story of these heroic flyers—and of the brave secret agents and resistance leaders they aided—can now be told. Written in Bruce Henderson’s “spellbinding” (USA TODAY) prose, Midnight Flyboys is an astonishing tale of patriotism, courage, and sacrifice.

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Elise’s Thoughts

Veteran’s Day is a holiday to honor US veterans and victims of all wars. Bruce Henderson wrote about real life heroes of WWII.

Midnight Flyboys by Bruce Henderson details how the American bomber crews dropped Allied secret agents behind the Nazi lines to aid the French resistance. The mission, known as Operation Carpetbagger, had American aircrews flying B-24 Liberators to secret Resistance drop zones. Through their planes’ bomb hanger doors, containers of guns, explosives, grenades, radios, and food were dropped along with agents. On this Veterans Day, Americans should think about the incredible heroism displayed by these men and women.

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Author Interview

Elise Cooper:  What do you want to say about Veteran’s Day?

Bruce Henderson: It is a day that Americans should remember.  I am a veteran. I choose this day to honor the greatest generation for their duty, commitment, and mission. When darkness was descending on the world they answered the call. They tried to preserve our democracy and personal freedom.  I hope today we do not let their sacrifices be in vain.

EC: Why did you write this story?

BH: I have always had a personal interest for airmen. The uncle I never knew had been lost in WWII over the North Sea. I have never written a book about pilots before. After I was approached by a carpetbagger pilot’s granddaughter, I decided to investigate it and found it to be a really good story about a specific period, about ten months before the liberation of France and the preparation for the Allied invasion over the coast of France.

EC:  One of the most interesting parts of the book was the story of Nancy Wake, described as “the most feminine woman I know, until the fighting starts.  Then she is like five men.” Please explain

BH: Her story is amazing. She was a British agent sent into France to organize, arm, and train the resistance forces. Interestingly, she was afraid of heights and needed a push from a crewman to parachute out of the plane. Nancy was a free spirit, capable, resourceful, instinctive, tough, hardened, and improvised. She was born an Aussie, married a Frenchman, and was a loyal British subject. She was highly motivated personally and patriotically because of her love for her adoptive country France and the love for her husband she left behind there. The Germans put a substantial bounty on her and labeled her “The White Mouse.”

EC:  How would you describe the 400-mile bike ride she made?

BH: She herself said after the war that she was most proud of that event. She made that trip in 72 hours to get an urgent message to London. This was an incredible accomplishment.  She felt she had to do it and after she did it, she was on her back for a week, unable to walk. Nancy succeeded and the message got to London.

EC: How would you describe the carpetbagger airmen?

BH: They were American pilots. Operation Carpetbaggers was a joint secretive operation between the American OSS and their British counterparts the SOE who trained most of the agents that were dropped. Eisenhower felt that about 9 months from the invasion there had to be a bigger effort to get the munitions into occupied France.  He ordered some squadrons of the B-24s to be available. They had a high casualty rate, 230 were killed in action and about 33 planes went down.

EC:  Did the Carpetbaggers have to be retrained?

BH: The B-24 Bomber were designed to fly at a high altitude in formation. Instead, they have been asked to fly solo at night to find a dark field in France. They had to fly the plane slower and lower than it was meant to fly. This could cause stalling. If they were at 1500 feet of altitude they could recover but they were 600 to 800 feet off the ground and would probably crash.

EC:  How effective were they?

BH: I use the quote from Eisenhower who estimated that the French resistance forces were equal to five army divisions. They were a huge help when the Allied forces hit the beach at Normandy. They took out bridges to stop the German reinforcements coming from the South and blowing out German trains. Eisenhower thought that the organized resistance forces in the German occupied territories helped to shorten the war by six months. It was like a domino effect because the resistance would not have been effective. SOE Agents like Wake were dropped down to organize and the Carpetbaggers were the ones who dropped them. She was a leader to the resistance and was dependent on the Carpetbaggers who resupplied them.

THANK YOU!!

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BIO: Elise Cooper has written book reviews and interviewed best-selling authors since 2009. Her reviews have covered several different genres, including thrillers, mysteries, women’s fiction, romance and cozy mysteries. An avid reader, she engages authors to discuss their works, and to focus on the descriptions of their characters and the plot. While not writing reviews, Elise loves to watch baseball and visit the ocean in Southern California, with her dog and husband.

Feature Post and Book Review: The Sisterhood of Ravensbruck by Lynne Olson

Book Description

Decades after the end of World War II, the name Ravensbrück still evokes horror for those with knowledge of this infamous all-women’s concentration camp, better known since it became the setting of Martha Hall Kelly’s bestselling novel, Lilac Girls. Particularly shocking were the medical experiments performed on some of the inmates. Ravensbrück was atypical in other ways as well, not just as the only all-female German concentration camp, but because 80 percent of its inmates were political prisoners, among them a tight-knit group of women who had been active in the French Resistance.

Already well-practiced in sabotaging the Nazis in occupied France, these women joined forces to defy their German captors and keep one another alive. The sisterhood’s members, amid unimaginable terror and brutality, subverted Germany’s war effort by refusing to do assigned work. They risked death for any infraction, but that did not stop them from defying their SS tormentors at every turn—even staging a satirical musical revue about the horrors of the camp.

After the war, when many in France wanted to focus only on the future, the women from Ravensbrück refused to allow their achievements, needs, and sacrifices to be erased. They banded together once more, first to support one another in healing their bodies and minds and then to continue their crusade for freedom and justice—an effort that would have repercussions for their country and the world into the twenty-first century.

Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/218153679-the-sisterhood-of-ravensbr-ck?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=bHz6SP4Rwy&rank=1

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My Book Review

RATING: 5 out of 5 Stars

THE SISTERHOOD OF RAVENSBRUCK by Lynn Olson is an amazing testament to the lives of the featured French women who survived the infamous women’s concentration camp of Ravensbruck which was in Germany during WWII. I knew nothing about this camp which ended up in the Soviet controlled portion of Germany which is why I feel this book is so important. The infamous camps that are remembered, like Auschwitz and Buchenwald, are important, but there were many others, and they all deserved to be remembered.

This well researched non-fiction book tells the story of many women, but the focus is on a small group of French women who leaned on each other to survive at Ravensbruck after being arrested for their resistance work during WWII. The story tells of their lives before the war, how they became involved in the resistance and were arrested, and then their time in a French jail in Paris before being shipped like cattle to Ravensbruck. Arriving at different times, they were still able to form a bond to help each other survive and even help other women of many nationalities and religions. The liberation of the camp did not occur all at once and the story goes on to tell of the friends varying recuperations and reunions.

The women’s lives after the war are followed as they build families and work to help all survivors of the camp. The work they did to get healthcare and reparations from the French and German governments was inspiring. I also was in awe of the Polish lapins “rabbits” that were experimented on in the camp and the ladies’ determination to help them get reparations.

All non-fiction history books that tell the stories of the WWII concentration camps are heartbreaking and leave you questioning humanity and this one was no different, but it also gave you the ladies’ lives after and demonstrated the resilience and strength they had after the horror. The research is evident. The author immerses you in these women’s journey, avoiding a dry historical account. I will definitly be picking up other history books written by this author.

I highly recommend this incredible non-fiction story of the women of Ravensbruck!

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About the Author

Lynne Olson is a New York Times bestselling author of ten books of history. Former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright has called her “our era’s foremost chronicler of World War II politics and diplomacy.”

Lynne’s latest book, The Sisterhood of Ravensbrück: How an Intrepid Band of Frenchwomen Resisted the Nazis in Hitler’s All-Female Concentration Camp, will be published by Random House on June 3, 2025. Her earlier books include three New York Times bestsellers: Madame Fourcade’s Secret War: The Daring Young Woman Who Led France’s Largest Spy Network Against the Nazis; Those Angry Days: Roosevelt, Lindbergh, and America’s Fight Over World War II, 1939-1941, and Citizens of London: The Americans Who Stood with Britain in Its Darkest, Finest Hour.

Born in Hawaii, Lynne graduated magna cum laude from the University of Arizona. Before becoming a full-time author, she worked as a journalist for ten years, first with the Associated Press as a national feature writer in New York, a foreign correspondent in AP’s Moscow bureau, and a political reporter in Washington. She left the AP to join the Washington bureau of the Baltimore Sun, where she covered national politics and eventually the White House.

Lynne lives in Washington, DC with her husband, Stanley Cloud, with whom she co-authored two books.

Social Media Links

Website: https://lynneolson.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lynne.olson.79

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lynneolsonbooks/?hl=en

BookBub: https://www.bookbub.com/books/the-sisterhood-of-ravensbruck-by-lynne-olson

Feature Post and Book Review: Such Good People by Amy Blumenfeld

Book Description

It’s 10 p.m. on a Thursday in the spring of her freshman year of college, and April is standing at the back of a crowded Manhattan bar waiting for her friend, Rudy, to arrive. Their eyes lock the moment he enters the room, and in an instant, lives and legacies are altered forever.

Within hours, Rudy is arrested. Within days, April is expelled. Within weeks, he’s incarcerated. And within months, she meets Peter, a prodigious young attorney who makes her world recognizable again.

Nearly fifteen years later, April is happily living in Chicago married to Peter, a mother of three with a fulfilling career and standing yoga date with her girlfriends. On the eve of Peter’s election for local office, Rudy is up for parole. Headlines explode about April’s past, jeopardizing Peter’s campaign and everything they hold dear. Suddenly, April is faced with an impossible choice: protecting the life she created, or the person who sacrificed everything to make that life a possibility. Such Good People is a captivating portrait of blurred lines, divided loyalties, and what it means to love purely, steadfastly, and interminably.

Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/220595434-such-good-people?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=nC4LCFhB9E&rank=1

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My Book Review

RATING: 4 out of 5 Stars

SUCH GOOD PEOPLE by Amy Blumenfeld is a character driven fiction novel featuring two friends who have their lives changed in an instant and the emotional ripple effects it has on their lives and their families’ lives. This is not the usual type of book I read, but I found the description so intriguing that I gave it a try and I am glad that I did. I will be thinking of these characters well past the closing of this book.

April and Rudy have been friends for their entire childhood and when you see one, you see the other. Their families are close and celebrate many milestones as one unit.

They are separated for the first time when April goes off to college and Rudy is left at home working with his father and at the local bagel store. It is a huge adjustment, but April asks Rudy to visit to include him in her new life. When Rudy meets her after an event in a Manhattan bar, both their lives are changed forever in an instant.

For thirteen years, one life moves forward while the other is on hold. There is so much heartache and guilt not just personally, but also in the connected families. How can April cling to her new life without sacrificing her lifelong friend?

This book looks at family and friendship in a way that pulls you into the main characters’ lives so completely and immerses the reader in their story. Life in this story is messy, but it is believable in its portrayal of friendship, love, family, and forgiveness that are all intertwined. The characters and their behaviors and reactions are the focus of this story, but I also found the legal system portrayed in this story realistic and disheartening.

I recommend this moving friendship fiction novel and if you are like me, you will be thinking of these characters and their choices well into the future.

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About the Author

Amy Blumenfeld grew up in Queens, New York. She is a graduate of Barnard College and the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism where she received the James A. Wechsler Award for national reporting. Her essays and articles have appeared on the cover of People, in The New York Times, The Huffington Post, O, The Oprah Magazine, as well in George where she worked as a staff editor and writerAmy’s debut novel, The Cast, was selected as a New York Post Best Book of the Week and named Winner of the Independent Publisher Book Award in Popular Fiction. She has also been a contributing author to a best-selling anthology and two non-fiction books. Amy lives in New York with her husband and daughter.

Social Media Links

Website: https://www.amyblumenfeld.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/amy.r.blumenfeld

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amyblumenfeldauthor/?hl=en

BookBub: https://www.bookbub.com/books/such-good-people-by-amy-blumenfeld

Friday Feature Author Interview with Elise Cooper: On Her Game: Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women’s Sports by Christine Brennan

Book Description

America has never seen an athlete quite like Caitlin Clark. Attracting record-shattering attendance and TV ratings, she has riveted the nation with her famous logo threes and thrilling passes and changed how fans across the country view women’s sports. Drawing on dozens of extensive interviews and exclusive, behind-the-scenes reporting, veteran journalist Christine Brennan narrates Clark’s rise—including the formative experiences that led to her scoring more points than any woman or man in major college basketball history—and delivers fascinating new details about Clark’s Olympic snub by USA Basketball, the safety concerns around her that led to charter flights for all players, the WNBA’s lack of preparation for heightened national scrutiny, and troubling outbreaks of jealousy and resentment as a white player became the top story in a predominantly Black league.

The 2024 season was a watershed. Always taking the high road in the face of criticism, Clark proceeded to write herself into WNBA record books as one of the league’s most talented rookies ever. And her winning persona—on full display whether surrounded by children begging for autographs or reporters hanging on her every word—made Clark such a fan favorite that increasingly larger arenas needed to be found to accommodate the hordes who traveled hundreds, and sometimes thousands, of miles to watch her play.

Clark arrived as a sports and cultural icon a little more than fifty years after the passage of Title IX, the 1972 law that opened the floodgates for girls and women to play sports in America. On Her Game is a sports story, certainly, but it’s also the story of a nation falling in love with what it has created because of that law—millions of new athletes, led by the magical Caitlin Clark.

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Elise’s Thoughts

On Her Game by Christine Brennan is a portrait of sports phenomenon Caitlin Clark. Brennan has been at the forefront of women’s sports and has been selected multiple times as one of the country’s top sports columnists. Readers will understand why she is a renowned journalist and commentator because she asks tough questions and uses facts for her answers.

The book mainly chronicles Clark’s 2024 WNBA rookie season with the Indiana Fever. It follows Clark as she helped to break attendance and TV ratings records, her extra-long-distance three-pointers, and incredible passes. Brennan does not shy away from the controversies regarding herself, Clark, and the league that also show the hypocrisy of those involved with the WNBA. 

As Michael Jordan said, “Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen,” which is exactly what Brennan has done in writing this book. She has hit nothing but net. 

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Author Interview

Elise Cooper: Why write this book?

Christine Brennan: I was watching Caitlin Clark during her junior and senior years at college. I have covered a lot of Final Fours and WNBA games since the 1990s but was just watching on TV and when I saw her buzzer-beater against Indiana, a crazy, sideways shot, and couldn’t stop watching the replays, I started thinking if a veteran journalist like me was intrigued by her, how about other Americans? I saw how the crowds were standing in line, many times in the cold, to watch a woman play basketball. It was like the lines at a Bruce Springsteen, Taylor Swift, or Beyonce concert. On July 11, 2024, without a book proposal, Scribner offered me a contract to write this book. It came out July 8, 2025. On July 16, 2025, it debuted at No. 2 on the New York Times bestseller list. It all was so magical and whimsical. 

EC: Do you think that women’s basketball is more like old-time basketball?

CB: Yes, it is team game, played below the rim, not so much freelancing as in the men’s game. It is much more a game of fundamentals: passing, teamwork, defense. Also, many top male players leave college after a year. In the women’s game, they stay for four years so fans get to know them.  

EC:  In your first chapter you refer to Title IX and I was wondering if you want to comment on biological men in women’s sports?

CB: People look at the election of Donald Trump as the catalyst on this. There is a certain validity to that because within a few days, the NCAA ruled, based on a Trump Executive Order, that if someone has gone through male puberty they cannot compete in women’s sports. The LPGA did the same thing. In the last few weeks, the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee also said basically the same thing, pendingthe decisions of the national governing bodies of every sport. But even during the Biden Administration, the international swimming and track and field federations ruled that if someone has gone through male puberty, they cannot compete in the women’s category at the world championships or at the Olympic Games.I believe this is a good policy, but it’s happening no matter what we believe. Especially in kids’ sports, though, leaders need to move forward with compassion and understanding, combined with science. The name-calling and hatred on this issue need to stop. 

EC: What about refereeing in college and professional women’s basketball?

CB: Interest in the women’s game has never been greater, because of Caitlin Clark, the ultimate attention magnet, yet what do these millions of new fans see? The referees are terrible, and the league seems to be doing nothing about it. I deal with this in the book in a chapter titled ‘Hip Check.’ Last year, Chicago’s Chennedy Carter hit Caitlin Clark with an ugly cheap shot, but the referees did not even review the play on the video monitor. The next day it was upgraded to a flagrant foul, but Carter didn’t miss any games. Fast forward to this year when Connecticut’s Marina Mabrey plowed into Clark with a terrible dead ball foul. She was lucky Clark wasn’t injured because as Clark goes, so goes the WNBA. TV ratings plummet when she’s out. Clark is the economic rocket ship for all the players but again, Mabrey was allowed to keep playing. 

EC: How would you describe Caitlin Clark’s persona?

CB: She is 23 years old going on 40 or 50. She gets tough questions about race and politics but never flinches and answers each one directly. She is a remarkable person: mature, kind, old school — and hilarious. She’s very smart and very funny. She signs autographs for girls and boys before and after every game, which is so rare. Children will be inspired by her for years to come. She is the perfect role model for millions of kids around the world who love sports.

EC: How would you describe Caitlin Clark’s basketball skills?

CB: Great shooter, especially the logo threes, a magical passer, competitive, confident, determined, incredible court vision, a perfectionist. A generational player, and perhaps even a once in a lifetime player. She is unique in sports history: a women’s team sport athlete who isn’t just one of the most popular athletes in the nation, she’s one of the most popular people in the nation.  

EC: What about the quotes from Nancy Lieberman and Billie Jean King about Caitlin Clark; too bad Cathy Engelbert could not have said it?

CB: Part of Nancy Lieberman’s quote from the book is: “I just want to say thank you to you, Caitlin Clark, for just lifting our game up…we shouldn’t hate on her, we should celebrate her, not tolerate her.” Part of Billie Jean King’s quote from the book: “This year is a turning point, and it’s because of Caitlin…with all these sellouts and all this interest…whether you like it or not, Caitlin is the reason…She’s a superstar.  When she does well, everyone does better…This generation has a chance to set this league on fire. Don’t blow it with animosity. Do not blow it. Just play ball. Play hard, but no cheap shots.” I used these quotes because how anyone could look at what was going on last year with the record TV viewership and attendance and minimize Caitlin Clark is just ridiculous. Throughout the book I wanted to use quotes and anecdotes to show just how wrong the naysayers are. 

EC:  Do you agree Caitlin Clark brought higher attendance and ratings to the league?

CB:  It’s undeniable. Facts are facts. In my ‘Overtime’ chapter at the end of the book, I show how the Indiana Fever’s attendance during Caitlin Clark’s rookie year was higher than the average home attendance of five NBA teams last year. That is an unbelievable statistic, and there are many more like it. 

EC:  Then there was Sheila Johnson, the co-owner of the WNBA team, the Washington Mystics, that was so hypocritical. You talk about that in your book?

CB: She told CNN that the whole league should have been put on the Time athlete of the year cover instead of just one player, the player who won the award, Caitlin Clark. That is so bizarre, especially considering Johnson moved the Mystics’ two home Indiana Fever games from her 4,200-seat arena to the huge Capital One Arena, seating over 20,000, so Johnson could make more money off Clark’s appearance. 

EC: Does race play a role in the reaction to her?

CB: Race definitely is a factor because the WNBA is a 74% Black league that was ignored by the male-dominated sports media for years. Now here comes a white woman who gets all the attention — which she deserves, and she is bringing a spotlight that shines on all the players — but there definitely was and is animosity toward her. Legendary civil rights leader Dr. Harry Edwards says in the book, “The league failed the players…. The league needed to do a better job in preparing…to take advantage of the tsunami of popularity that is raising all of the boats.” 

EC: What would you like to say about the controversy that surrounded your question for DiJonai Carrington, after her fingers hit Clark’s eye?  The players’ union called you “indecent and downright insincere.”

CB:  I am a journalist who covers the WNBA just like I cover the Olympics and the NFL. They all deserve my respect as big-time sports, yet the WNBA was utterly unprepared for this moment of national scrutiny. After Carrington’s fingers went into Clark’s eye in the playoffs, millions of people on social media accused Carrington of purposely hitting Clark, so you must ask her if she did — which I did in two basic questions. Then the player’s union tried to banish me for asking the questions. I’ve asked male athletes hundreds of tougher questions. Is the union saying that women cannot handle those types of questions? Is that the message they’re sending, that women deserve easier questions? Most athletes want those kinds of questions so they can clear the air and hit it out of the park. By the way, I was not banned. The player’s union embarrassed themselves, their league, and their players. 

EC:  Will the lightbulb ever go on in this league where those in the WNBA will wake up and embrace Clark?

CB: There needs to be a leader who leads. If Cathy Engelbert can’t do it, get another commissioner. The players’ agents also are not being honest with their players about the impact of Caitlin Clark. Nor are some of the beat writers who cover the WNBA. I take a journalistic look at everything in this book. I tell stories and anecdotes that show that the league had no idea how big Caitlin Clark was. Unbelievable, but true. 

THANK YOU!!

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BIO: Elise Cooper has written book reviews and interviewed best-selling authors since 2009. Her reviews have covered several different genres, including thrillers, mysteries, women’s fiction, romance and cozy mysteries. An avid reader, she engages authors to discuss their works, and to focus on the descriptions of their characters and the plot. While not writing reviews, Elise loves to watch baseball and visit the ocean in Southern California, with her dog and husband.

Friday Feature Author Interview with Elise Cooper: Agents of Change: The Women Who Transformed the CIA by Christina Hillsberg

Book Description

Years after her successful and impactful career at the CIA, Christina Hillsberg became enthralled with the stories of the trailblazing women who forged new paths within the Agency long before she began her career there in the aughts. These were women who sacrificed their personal lives, risked their safety, defied expectations, and boldly navigated the male-dominated spy organization.

Through exclusive interviews with current and former female CIA officers, many of whom have never spoken publicly, Agents of Change tells an enthralling and, at times, disturbing story set against the backdrop of the evolving women’s movement. It was the 1960s, a “secretarial” era, when women first gained a foothold and pushed against the one-dimensional, pop-culture trope of the sexy Cold War Bond Girl. Underestimated but undaunted, they fought their way, decade-by-decade, through adversity to the top of the spy game.

Seamlessly weaving together the individual stories of these exceptional women, Hillsberg deftly tackles not just the fight for gender equality at the CIA, but the current dilemma the Agency faces when dealing with the culmination of a decades-long culture of sexual harassment and assault.

Each chapter sheds a light on women’s issues during that decade before bringing to life the stories of female CIA operations officers whose experiences were emblematic of that given era. In this fascinating and empowering chronicle, Hillsberg takes readers inside the Agency in a way that’s never been done before, paying long overdue tribute to the survivors and thrivers, the indispensable groundbreakers, and defiant rabble-rousers who made the choice to change their lives and in turn, changed history.

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Elise’s Thoughts

Agents of Change by Christina Hillsberg reads like an espionage thriller. Hillsberg, a former CIA intelligence officer, uses her insider knowledge to write a nonfiction book about US patriots working for the CIA who happened to be women trailblazers. These women sacrificed their personal lives, risked their safety, defied expectations, and boldly navigated the male-dominated spy organization. The book profiles dozens of agents from the 1960s to the present.

The book takes readers behind the scenes as it explores by decade how women’s roles in the CIA evolved. The compelling exclusive interviews with those CIA officers show their resilience and determination.

They had to overcome the thinking of the times about women’s roles in the workplace. Although the book does discuss the fight for gender equality at the CIA, and the culture of sexual harassment/assault, this is not the essence of the book, but the riveting stories of how these women risked their lives while performing their duties that included doing espionage, recruiting spies, and stealing secrets.

One compelling story is of Marti Peterson. Marti served as an intelligence officer in Russia where she conducted dead drops. Because the KGB did not think that a woman would be used to conduct clandestine operations, she was able to collect foreign intelligence right under the Russians’ noses without them knowing. The description of her cover and how she went about her duties is riveting, especially after being captured by the KGB, betrayed by double agents.

Then there was Janine Brookner. She had her antennas up about Aldrich Ames who worked in counterintelligence alongside Janine’s ex-husband and long-time companion, Colin. She felt he was a security risk and brought her concerns up to the Chief of Station who ignored her. It turns out her concerns were justified considering eight years later, Ames would plead guilty to espionage on behalf of the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, she never received the credit for being one of the first people to identify him as a traitor.

A bonus is how Hillsberg makes the comparison between how the CIA treats female agents through the decades to what the James Bond films are doing with women in each decade.

Anyone who wants an espionage read should get this book. These women were groundbreakers, rabble rousers, but more important are the shields that helped to keep Americans safe.

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Author Interview

Elise Cooper: Do you agree that those in intelligence should be thought of on July 4th, America’s birthday?

Christina Hillsberg: July 4th is a great time to take a moment and thank those that work in the shadows as well as all the servicemen and women in the military and law enforcement. There are so many incredible people behind the scenes to keep Americans safe, including the remarkable women I highlight in the book. The emphasis of those working at the CIA is to keep Americans safe here at home, abroad, and American interests. As Americans celebrate July 4th, I hope they remember why we have all these freedoms.

EC: How has your experience at the CIA helped you to write this book?

CH: We’re surrounded by so many misconceptions of the female spy, thanks in large part to Hollywood. I knew I was uniquely positioned to write a book about the real women in intelligence. Having spent time in both analysis and operations during my time at the CIA, I leveraged that experience to build trust with those I interviewed, many of whom had never spoken publicly about their CIA experiences.

EC: Why write the book?

CH: I wanted to write about the women who came before me and how the female spy has changed over the years, to amplify their stories and voices. It was meant to show the progress the Agency has made over the years regarding the role of women. There is also some conversation about the less favorable part of the history including the struggles of sexual harassment/abuse. That said, it’s meant to be a celebration of the incredible accomplishments of female officers at the CIA as well as the notable progress the spy organization has made throughout the decades.

EC: Why the book title?

CH: They were all trailblazers but considered troublemakers for making change happen. Even though the term should be intelligence officers I used the word ‘agents’ because of a play on words, they were the change agents. Originally the word ‘sisters’ was in the title but as I did the interviews and research, I realized there was no ‘sisterhood’ at the Agency although they opened the doors for other women. The sisterhood seems to come after we’ve left. I value the friendships I’ve made with these older women because they are filled with stories, wisdom, and experiences.

EC: It boggles my mind that Americans cannot thank personally those in the CIA for their service as we can with the military and law enforcement. Do you agree?

CH: Those at the CIA are bred not to speak of the accomplishments and to share. We always used to say in the CIA, there is only such a thing as “policy success and an intelligence failure.”

Many times, people do not hear about all the intelligence successes that happen all the time. If there is a success, the policy makers will take credit for it. Hopefully, with this book, Americans appreciate the role those at the CIA play in keeping them safe and become more aware of what they do. For example, Marti, a CIA officer, never told her children until they were much older that she was CIA. Many women of the CIA were quiet about their activities. Often these women did not share their stories even though they played vital roles in national security. I wanted to choose women who resonated with readers and to humanize them. To show how these women had families and had to make life choices.

EC: Why the James Bond comparison?

CH: When there is talk about the female spy the “Bond girl” comes to mind. Look at the trajectory of the Bond girl from the very first movie until now. It goes from a one-dimensional sidekick to a multidimensional very capable “Bond girl.” I thought it would be a great story telling structure to trace that along with the changing role of women through the decades at the Agency. It was my hope to write a book that is both entertaining and approachable for readers beyond history buffs and spy afficionados.

EC: Marti Peterson, a CIA woman who worked there in the seventies had an interesting career, do you agree?

CH: Absolutely. Marti began her career as a “CIA wife,” providing secretarial and administration support while accompanying her husband on his tour in Laos. She felt she was losing her own identity, an “appendage to his career.” After her husband was killed, she wanted to be an operations officer and refused the Agency’s offer to give her a secretarial role. Instead, she demanded more commensurate with her experience and abilities. At that time women were told they could not run operations, did not have the skill set, and were inferior. There was the fear they would get pregnant or marry and leave. But Marti was persistent, resilient, and determined to show what she was made of. She even learned Russian for a tour in Moscow where she was the first woman to operate clandestinely. She was an extremely accomplished woman whose experience helped shape the trajectory of women at the CIA for years to come. I’m grateful to have had the opportunity to sit down with her and hear about her career.

EC: What traits make women an advantageous spy?

CH: At the beginning of the book, I include an epigraph by an operations officer, “Don’t let somebody tell you, for whatever reason, you can’t do it because you’re a woman.” I think this is a powerful message to younger women, that nothing can hold them back. Because women were often underestimated, they leveraged that to their benefit, and by extension, the CIA’s as well. They blended into the background in male-dominated cultures across the globe, stealing secrets all while going undetected. Moreover, many women officers felt they were better listeners than their male colleagues, detailed oriented, more empathetic, could build rapport in different ways than the males, yet set boundaries.

EC: Were there any men supportive of these women?

CH: Oh, yes. Some women were fortunate to have supportive male colleagues and superiors, and in many cases, that meant the difference between a woman’s ability to attend operational training at the Farm or remain in a non-operational role at headquarters. Janine Brookner, for example, secured her first overseas assignment as a result of a male ally who advocated for a woman operations officer in his station. But once she arrived, it was up to her to prove her worth, and she did that in spades.

EC: Why did you highlight Janine Brookner?

CH: Even to this day people have strong feelings about Janine because she was so controversial. Having already passed away prior to my beginning my research for this book, I had to rely on interviews with family, friends, and colleagues to create Janine’s narrative. After hearing conflicting impressions, I realized that those who had something negative to say about her never worked with her directly, and yet, they criticized everything from her style of dress to her attitude. As with everything in life, everyone brings their own bias to the table, and it was my responsibility to wade through the noise and create the most accurate portrayal of Janine. And after dozens of interviews, I believe she was a smart and tenacious intelligence officer whose bravery created one of the most important watershed moments in the history of women at the CIA. After Janine was wrongfully accused of sexual harassment, she fought back and won. Although the CIA settled with her, the Agency did not admit any wrongdoing. The settlement said she had to resign. Because she knew this was just wrong, she became a lawyer to represent Federal government employees in their cases involving sexual discrimination.

EC: How would you describe Janine?

CH: I wish I could have met her, but unfortunately, she died. I would describe her as loyal, ambitious almost to a fault, resourceful, career oriented, empathetic, caring, excellent operational tradecraft, intuitive, and drive. She remained a close companion to Colin, her ex-husband and retired CIA case officer, who I’ve been fortunate enough to get to know throughout the reporting of this book.

EC: What do you want readers to get out of the book?

CH: I want readers to realize how important women are to national security. They are competent and talented officers who bring unique perspectives to all aspects of Agency work, a vital part of the mission. I want to encourage women to work in intelligence with their eyes wide open. I want to make sure that people celebrate the accomplishments of these women.

This not a book about an ‘axe to grind’ regarding sexual harassment and assault but rather, a book about the accomplishment of some remarkable women.

THANK YOU!!

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BIO: Elise Cooper has written book reviews and interviewed best-selling authors since 2009. Her reviews have covered several different genres, including thrillers, mysteries, women’s fiction, romance and cozy mysteries. An avid reader, she engages authors to discuss their works, and to focus on the descriptions of their characters and the plot. While not writing reviews, Elise loves to watch baseball and visit the ocean in Southern California, with her dog and husband.