Friday Feature Author Interview with Elise Cooper: In Sunshine or in Shadow by Rhys Bowen and Clare Broyles

Book Description

New York, 1908: The days are getting longer—and warmer—in Manhattan. Molly Murphy Sullivan doesn’t want to leave her home in the city, but typhoid is back, and she’s expecting. So she heads north with the children to summer with her mother-in-law in Westchester County. Molly tells herself it won’t be so bad, after all the countryside is pretty, and she’s determined to make the best of it. Even if she’s leaving her husband, Daniel, behind. And at least she’s not the only one heading north. Her great friends, Sid and Gus, are headed to the Catskills to visit Sid’s family.

Though her mother-in-law is a surprisingly excellent host, Molly quickly grows bored. And when Sid and Gus invite her to visit, Molly jumps at the chance to stay with them at an artist’s community. What a pleasant time they’ll have, so far from the city, although Sid isn’t so enthusiastic about having to visit her family in the nearby Jewish bungalow community. But deep in the Catskills, tensions are running high, and it’s not long before a body delays Molly’s return to Westchester.

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Elise’s Thoughts

In Sunshine or In Shadow by Rhys Bowen and Clare Bowles the focus is on the good friend of Molly Murphy, Sid. As with all these books readers get a glimpse of what is happening in the time period that is weaved throughout the story.  This book is very relevant because it delves into the Catskills before it became a resort and how antisemitism flourished, just as today.

Because of the typhoid epidemic in the city, Molly and her children decide to stay with her mother-in-law in Westchester.  Molly, who’s bored, visits her friends, who are staying at an artists’ retreat near Sid’s relatives. Sid’s grandfather’s alleged ill health was just an excuse to get her to the Catskill farm, where a matchmaker has brought possible mates for both Sid and her cousin Mira. 

Mira’s match, Mr. Simon Levin, has made many enemies. Sid’s match is a college professor she finds interesting but has no intention of marrying. While out walking in the woods, Levin is shot with his own rifle, and the local police immediately focus on Mira, as a suspect. After her friends beg Molly to help Mira, she unearths other motives for his murder.

The reader is kept guessing as to who the murderer was almost to the very end, with clues strewn throughout. Where it really shines is in the descriptions of life during that time period, 1908, and all the historical information on the early Catskill resorts. A riveting murder, fun characters, interlaced with tidbits of historical information make this story a great read.

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Author Interview

Elise Cooper: How much are you involved in writing this story?

Rhys Bowen: Very involved. We talk through the story idea.  Then Clare does some research, and we see what we want to incorporate. In the first couple of books, we wrote alternating chapters.  Now Clare is writing more, but I am still going in and giving my suggestions.  I am still very hands on. Working with someone else is a gift because they have enthusiasm and new ideas.

Clare Broyles:  If I do write a scene or a chapter she reads it immediately for feedback, and vice-versa.

EC:  How did you get the idea for this story?

RB:  We realized we never focused on Sid and her Jewish heritage.  We thought it might be interesting to have her family wanting to have her married off. With the typhoid epidemic everyone wanted to get out of the city, but Jewish people were not welcome at the normal resorts.  They decided to go up to the Catskills and stay in primitive cabins. We used typhoid to get Molly out of the city. Even some upscale houses became sick. This is why we bought in the cook, “typhoid Mary,” who went from household to household affecting the families.

CB:  We wanted to write everything going on at the Catskills.  It had its beginning in 1903. Park Rangers were just coming into existence.  Their chain of command had them reporting to NYPD, a perfect line to Daniel. They had the mining in trouble. There was also the growing environmental movement that started to clash with the big quarry there. Plus, there was a Bohemian community of professional women. Ontera was its name. We fictionalized it. We wanted to show that it was a place where woman could be free.

EC:  Your story is very relevant today considering what happened on October 7th and the antisemitism going on in the US today.  Do you agree?

RB:  It is very relevant now.  It did not matter how respected someone was or how rich, it was hard for Jewish families to get out of NYC. They were still not welcome.  The police detective in this story exhibited the underlying antisemitism that comes out all the time. My health club is in the Jewish Community Center and there must be a guard outside and now there is a sheriff’s car.

CB:  There were stories around that time that had to deal with the ‘No Hebrews allowed” signs at the upscale resorts.  Unfortunately, this continues to be relevant throughout the years.

EC:  There is a portrayal of the different levels of Judaism. Please explain.

CB:  Sid’s family was wealthy and less religious versus the religious immigrant strain.

RB:  One of my oldest friends in New York picked up some tiny things we did to make it more accurate.  She did loads of research for us.

EC:  The Catskills?

CB:  It was based on fact.  Some background, there were some wealthy Jewish philanthropists that wanted to help Jewish immigrants. This was about fifty years before.  They bought large tracks of land in the Catskills to give to arriving families who instead of farming made money by renting out cabins.

EC:  How would you describe Mira, Sid’s cousin?

RB:  She is an interesting character. Not much of a fighter.  Not strong-willed or independent. She is hopeful. She is very young who has been a sheltered Jewish girl.  Sid and Gus gave her options in life.

EC:  You also go into arranged marriages?

RB:  Her role in life was to marry whoever her family chose for her and live happily ever after. We put in this quote from Sid, “This is how it is done in the old country.  Parents chose a spouse, daughters obey, with a question of dowry and financial advantage.  Love did not enter into it.” Gradually we see Mira gaining strength throughout the story. There were very few opportunities for women. Sid and Gus survived because they had money. Maybe this is easier than online dating now.

CB:  It is not just the Jewish community that does this.  We first considered to set it in Boston with Gus’ family.  Women at the time did not have much of a voice. Mira’s family did not force her into marriage but made that option the most attractive. I think Gus’s family in Boston would have done the same thing.

EC:  How would you describe the victim, Levin, who was chosen to marry Mira?

RB: He is brash.  He is someone who talks about how good they are at their job and how much money he makes. He is annoying and sleezy. He is not trustworthy but is clever enough to convince people he might be a good match.

CB:  He talks a good talk.

EC:  What about your next books?

RB:  The historical novel comes out in August titled The Rose Arbor. It takes place in 1968 with a little girl vanishing. The heroine is a journalist.  Her roommate is a police officer.  They go down to the South of England. Through their research they find out that three little girls evacuated during WWII also disappeared. This book is a jigsaw puzzle tying all the cases.

CB:  The next Molly book has Bridie growing up, a fourteen-year-old.  Ryan, a playwright, has written and acted in some motion pictures. Bridie is offered a part. It is titled, Silent as The Grave. It takes place in 1908. The very interesting part of the stories are the situations that lead to a murder.  The way the people acted and felt in history.

RB:  The special effects were all real.  Someone tied to the train tracks was real, taking terrible risks.  This all is presented in the book. It comes out the same time next year. All our books are linked to real time. We think about what happened then and how do we tie into it. I like to learn when I read. The sleuth character and how she handles things that stretch her makes the story interesting. When people write me fan mail, they never say that was a clever plot, but say “I love Molly,” which is what matters.

THANK YOU!!

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BIO: Elise Cooper has written book reviews and interviewed best-selling authors since 2009. Her reviews have covered several different genres, including thrillers, mysteries, women’s fiction, romance and cozy mysteries. An avid reader, she engages authors to discuss their works, and to focus on the descriptions of their characters and the plot. While not writing reviews, Elise loves to watch baseball and visit the ocean in Southern California, with her dog and husband.

Friday Feature Author Interview with Elise Cooper: All That is Hidden: A Molly Murphy Mystery by Rhys Bowen and Clare Broyles

Book Description

“Retired” detective and police captain’s wife Molly Murphy Sullivan tangles with Tammany Hall in the next in Rhys Bowen and Clare Broyles’s New York Times bestselling historical mystery series.

New York, Autumn, 1907: Former private detective Molly Murphy Sullivan is happy with her place in the world. She and her policeman husband, Daniel, have built quite a life for themselves in Greenwich Village, in their modest-yet-beautiful-home in Patchin Place, filled with family, friends, and laughter. Molly and Daniel have a good marriage, a true partnership where they value each other’s opinions in all things.

So when he tells her they’re moving to a fancy home on Fifth Avenue—and that he’s running for the sheriff of New York—Molly is left reeling. Daniel begs Molly to trust him, but why would he run for sheriff on the Tammany ticket? A party known more for kickbacks and quid pro quo than anything else, it used to be everything Daniel despised. So what’s changed? And why didn’t he discuss it with her beforehand? Molly can’t help but wonder what Daniel’s got himself tangled up in… and whether he needs her help to get out.

In this next installment in this beloved series All That Is Hidden, the incomparable Molly is drawn into the dangerous world of politics, forced to navigate through the webs of lies and deceit which are hidden behind a veil of vast wealth and grandeur.

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Elise’s Thoughts

Molly always thought that she and her husband Daniel had a good marriage, which was a true partnership.  But things seem to unravel when he comes home to tell her they are moving from their modest home in Patchin Place to a fancy home on Fifth Avenue. He has decided to run for sheriff of New York on the Tammany Hall ticket. She cannot understand this change in Daniel since he has had a long opposition to the Tammany record of corruption.  Now she must deal with bodyguards, servants, and her bills paid for by Tammany boss, William “Big Bill” McCormick. 

As with most of the books there is a glimpse into the society of the times.  Their ward, Bridie, has been attending a wealthy private school, paid for by Molly’s friends Sid and Gus.  She is being picked on for being poor and smart.  That is until she helps to rescue Blanche McCormick, Big Bill’s daughter, from a fire aboard a tour boat.  Afterward Bridie and Blanche become BBFs. 

The mystery also involves the killing of Big Bill, found dead in a locked room.  Everyone is wondering if the real-life William Randolph Hearst had something to do with it since his investigative reporter of Tammany Hall has disappeared.  Now Molly and Daniel must go undercover to investigate and find the killer.

The characters added to the intriguing story. It alerts readers to the ever-changing times and the realism makes for an insightful plot.

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Author Interview

Elise Cooper: What was it like working as a mother/daughter team?

Rhys Bowen: I had put the Molly Murphy series on hiatus because I simply did not have the time to write three books a year.  I knew Clare was a very good writer and since she wanted to give it a go, I said ‘let’s give it a try.’ She read through the whole series, seventeen books, and was able to find Molly’s voice perfectly. It has been seamless. At the end no one could tell who wrote what.  In the third book, Clare wrote the end of the book by herself.  

Clare Broyles:  Writing with my mom is fun.  We spark each other as we come up with ideas. As a mystery writer I had to consider how Molly could solve the crime in a clever way. I get to write a scene and have this amazing author, my mom, read the scene.

RB:  We chat with each other every evening, making writing not a solitary profession. We can create together more and exciting scenes.

EC:  How did you get the idea for the story?

CB:  We wanted to do something with a wealthy Fifth Avenue story. Every single day the book takes place I read the New York Times for that day. One story had a mail bag ripped open and the mail flew everywhere.  I thought, what if a letter contained important information that someone else got a hold of.  I also read how a pleasure cruise caught fire on the Hudson. Finally, there were some stories of how Tammany Hall sparred with William Randolph Hearst who joined with the Republicans in attempting to win the Mayorship of New York. From there we decided to make a wealthy school friend of Bridie, the soon-to-be adopted daughter of Molly, a daughter of a Tammany Hall official.

EC:  You set up the characters before the mystery comes into play?

RB:  In the Rhys Bowen books a body is not usually found before page 100.  I tend to bring my characters together, allow the readers to watch them interact, and then someone is killed. We very rarely have a body early in the book.  There is a mystery in the beginning since Molly cannot believe that her husband Daniel accepted a job with Tammany Hall without consulting her. Molly always will have a personal life.

EC:  Molly is not thrilled with Daniel over his unilateral decisions?

CB:  Molly likes to do things herself.  She is proud of keeping her house and raising her child.  She never looked for an easier life.  She feels out of place having to move to Fifth Avenue in a house Tammany Hall has given Daniel. It is her Irish background where she feels out of place with the gentry.  She is not very good at giving orders to servants. She enjoys raising her child and being with him.

RB:  As a husband of the time, he is remarkably understanding. A husband of the time could say he does not want Molly doing detective work, beat her, and a woman had no claim on the property or the children.  A wife was really another possession. He is scared for her because she does take risks.  In the beginning, he asks Molly to trust him. There is a lot of Feminism in the Molly books.

EC:  What role does the Tammany Hall official ‘Big Bill ‘play in the book?

CB:  He represents several different bosses in New York and New Jersey.  They wanted to control the docks. I read of an official who had a two-sided desk, sliding it out so a person could put their bribe in it. The book is really about the relationship between him and his family with Molly, Daniel, and Bridie. Big Bill is overwhelming, charming, someone who likes to have his way, evil, corrupt, yet helps the downtrodden.

EC:  What was the role of the Fifth Avenue house versus the house on Patchin Place?

CB:  Having to move destabilized Molly and threw her off balance. She did not know how she was going to pay the servants.

RB:  Molly could not wait to get back to Patchin Place especially since her neighbors and friends were across the street and her support group. She knows the rules there.  She is much more comfortable in her own home.

EC:  What about Big Bill’s wife, Lucy McCormick?

RB:  She is a complete antithesis to her husband. He is the rough Irishman without refined manners who has learned how to manipulate, a classic mob boss.  He married her for her money and position in society. She is a very loving mother, kind, and caring. She is not a snob and wanted to be friends with Molly. 

CB:  She is a kindred spirit with Molly. She also feels a bit trapped in her life, not really wanting to be involved in politics.

EC:  Bridie’s friend, Blanche transformed?

RB:  She transformed from a mean girl to a good friend.  She represented a typical teenage girl. After being rescued by Molly and Bridie she realized they were good caring people.  But she is obviously very spoiled.  Girls at that age are a prowling pack and enjoy picking on someone different.  Bridie is not like them since she is poorer than them and very bright. She made a judgement and saw how Bridie is supported by her family.

EC:  What about the forensics?

CB:  Before I came into the series Daniel was a big proponent of fingerprints.  It is a new science at the time the book takes place. It is not admissible in court yet, but still can be useful to find the preparator.

RB:  Autopsies had been done for a while.  We are getting into the very beginnings of blood types and blood spatter, just around the corner. They are starting to get the scientific evidence to back up the “who done it.” This is one of the reasons I like writing these times, because the detective still must use their smarts.

EC:  Next books?

RB:  The secondary characters in this book will have a break in the next Molly book.  It is summertime in New York, where school is not in session.

CB:  Bridie is devasted that Blanche has gone to France for the summer. The family visits Daniel’s mom, Mrs. Sullivan.  Molly is being driven crazy, so she gladly accepts an invitation to go to the Catskills with Sid and Gus. Three different communities are brought together:  Sid and Gus are part of an artist’s colony, there is a new ranger there since the Catskills are now a state park, and in the bungalows are a fledgling Jewish colony. The murder has to do with a matchmaker.

RB:  My historical novel is titled The Paris Assignment, published in August, even though the main action takes place outside Paris, ending up in Australia in the 1940s.  There are two parallel stories going on in the book.  The heroine acts as a courier for the allies.  It was not an easy one to write because it tugs on readers’ heartstrings.

THANK YOU!!

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BIO: Elise Cooper has written book reviews and interviewed best-selling authors since 2009. Her reviews have covered several different genres, including thrillers, mysteries, women’s fiction, romance and cozy mysteries. An avid reader, she engages authors to discuss their works, and to focus on the descriptions of their characters and the plot. While not writing reviews, Elise loves to watch baseball and visit the ocean in Southern California, with her dog and husband.