Friday Feature Author Interview with Elise Cooper: Where the Sky Begins by Cindy Dees and Mary Wine

Book Description

In 1929, twenty daredevil women take to the skies in the most dangerous race of their lives.

Florence “Pancho” Barnes—heiress, rebel, and the most colorful pilot in America—can outfly, outswear, and outdrive any man. When Hollywood tries to turn the first-ever cross-country National Women’s Air Derby into a publicity stunt with movie starlets and their male “mechanics” doing the real flying, Pancho rallies the greatest female aviators of the era to fight back.

Alongside aviation legends Amelia Earhart, Louise Thaden, and Marvel Crosson, these fearless women demand the right to fly solo across 2,800 miles of treacherous terrain in primitive, fragile aircraft held together by glue and prayers. But as the race begins, sabotage strikes. Someone wants these women to fail—or worse.

As increasingly serious incidents mount, the pilots realize they’re not just racing for glory. They’re fighting for their lives and the future of women in aviation. United in their determination to finish the derby, they refuse to back down, watching each other’s backs as they barrel across the country in a white-knuckle race that will determine once and for all whether women belong in the skies.

From high-speed car chases to emergency landings, speakeasy showdowns to courtroom battles, Where the Sky Begins is a thrilling ride through one of aviation’s most dramatic chapters—a story of courage, sisterhood, and the unbreakable spirit of women who refused to be grounded.

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Elise’s Thoughts

Where The Sky Begins by Cindy Dees and Mary Wine will take readers on a thrilling ride emphasizing how women aviators displayed courage, sisterhood, and the unbreakable spirit of those who refused to be grounded. It is a reminder of how these women pilots in the late 1920s had to overcome insults, injustices, and obstacles simply because they were women. 

The story is based on the National Women’s Air Derby which took place in 1929. The derby was a race of 20 daredevil women flying from San Bernardino to Cleveland, although the authors concentrated on four: Florence “Pancho” Barnes, Amelia Earhart, Louise Thaden, and Marvel Crosson, But, as the race begins, sabotage strikes. Someone wants these women to fail, or worse die. As increasingly serious incidents mount, the pilots realize they’re not just racing for glory but fighting for their lives and the future of women in aviation. They band together in their determination to finish the derby. Undeterred by the dangerous obstacles thrown at them, they refuse to back down and watch each other’s backs.  

This exciting and extraordinary story was brought to the forefront in the novel by Dees and Wine. Readers will turn the pages to discover what could possibly happen next. The afterword is a bonus, explaining which parts are fictionalized and which are true. 

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Author Interviews

Elise Cooper: How did you get the idea for this story? 

Mary Wine: This is our third collaboration. I was in what’s called WHAM, which is an air museum in the Pacific Northwest. I was walking along in there with its hangars of old airplanes and vehicles and all kinds of bits of history. I enjoy prowling through old dinosaur bones of history. It’s something I really enjoy. I wandered around, and I found this ancient newspaper, and it had a headline that said, ‘Women are naturally handicapped by their dependence on men, and shouldn’t be in the cockpit.’ This was a headline that ran in one of the local papers. I knew I needed to dig deeper. I must know what dinosaur bone this is and when I got the whole idea, I ended up reaching out to Cindy.  

EC: What was the writing process? 

Cindy Dees: We sat down together and talked out the plot. I am a story structure geek, and Mary has massive experience in the TV and film industry and knows that story structure very well. And, of course, she has written dozens of historical novels and some contemporary stuff. We hammered out the plot. And the plot was kind of written for us by history. But because Mary has a lot of experience writing historical novels, she’s one of those historical writers that gets the historical facts correct. This is unusual, particularly in the romance industry. A lot of the facts are wildly wrong. But she is really gifted at saying, here are the facts. Where is the really good story among those facts? And so, she really, truly found the story. She told me, ‘I think these are the main characters whose points of view are really important,’ and I was like, ‘yep, I totally agree.’ And then we came up with kind of the skeleton of how we were going to cover the race. 

EC: How did you narrow down the cast of characters? 

Cindy Dees: There were multiple FBI agents and police officers involved in investigating the various acts of sabotage, but we don’t want a cast of a thousand. Let’s create one fictitious kind of amalgam FBI character for that. We also needed some race officials that are acting in bad faith. Let’s just create one.  

EC: What was true? 

Cindy Dees: We don’t have names of actual race officials that were doing some of the shenanigans but the shenanigans were absolutely happening including the arguments over trying to get the women to land at fields that they were going to crash on because the fields were too short. The argument of how close they were flying to the Mexican border. Those were real arguments. There was clearly bribery happening. I couldn’t tell you who bribed who but it was very clear there was bribery, buyoffs, and payoffs happening for the route of the race. Cities, industries, betters, and all kinds of people were paying to get the race to come through their town. So, Mary did a ton of that research and then we kind of talked through how to amalgamate a lot of that research.  

Mary Wine: There was a fair bit of discussion about how to open the book. It took us a bit to find openings and we tried a couple of different openings. We wrote three separate openings to the book. Both of us wanted this to be a filmable opening. An opening sequence that you see when you go to the movies that makes you sit your tail down and stop checking your text messages. I guided the opening to a nice big action scene, and wrote that scene.  

EC: Why the four pilots? 

MW: We decided because there were so many pilots in this race, over 20 of them, to narrow it down to the story happening between basically four of them. 

EC: How would you describe the four pilots? First, Pancho? 

CD and MW: They were similar in that they were all passionate about flying, and they were all certainly quite frustrated with the strictures being put on women as pilots. They were four of the strong voices as we did our historical research on the race that spoke out for organizing the women, pushing back against the things that were unsafe, sticking together, refusing to stop the race, and were four of the most dynamic, but that is where all the similarities end. Pancho Barnes was an heiress, big personality, bold personality, and a rebel at heart.  Pancho was one of the race organizers. And it’s why she could threaten the boycott that the pilots did. And she was the mouthpiece. She organized all the pilots, and they all agreed to the boycott to make sure only experienced pilots raced. She had that clout, because she was on the organizing committee. She has this big, loud personality. A lot of money and takes no guff. 

EC: What about the famous Amelia Earhart? 

CD and MW: She was a celebrated pilot, but ‘Lady Lindy’ didn’t fly in that flight over the ocean, that they gave her a ticket tape parade. And believe it or not, Amelia Earhart had a big problem with that. She was the one who called herself a sack of potatoes. She wanted to be in this race because she was going to be at the controls of the aircraft. It was very important to her. This derby was the moment that she got to be an aviator. She was 100% passenger on that famous flight. Amelia was really embarrassed and humiliated by that. The reality is, Amelia at that time was not a particularly experienced pilot. She had crashed a couple of airplanes. She was not considered to be one of the premier aviators of the day, although they all really respected her celebrity and they really appreciated the attention she was bringing to women pilots. They held her no ill will. But they all knew she wasn’t much of a pilot. This was her opportunity to really come out and step into her shoes as a real aviator. She had something to prove. She has a big chip on her shoulder, a big case of imposter syndrome, and then a big tragedy as the race begins, losing her longtime dear friend and mechanic, who died the night the race started in a plane crash. 

EC: What about Louise Thaden? 

CD and MW: She was by far the most accomplished aviator of all of them at that point. She was the best pilot, and all the women expected her to win the race going in. She was already doing some test flying. She had the first commercial pilot’s license. She was the consummate professional, poised, and self-contained. 

EC: Then there was the pilot of who died, Marvel Crosson? 

CD and MW: Marvel was young, adorably cute, charismatic, and charming. She was America’s sweetheart material. Even though everybody called Amelia Earhart, America’s sweetheart, because of the Atlantic flight that had already happened, Marvel was setting a lot of records at that time. She was doing altitude records. She recently had set the world altitude record before that race. She was a bush pilot in Alaska, which was known to be exceedingly dangerous. She was kind of the mascot of the race where everybody took her under their wing. Even though Pancho Barnes was only five years older than Marvel, she thought of her as a little sister, and protected her, looked out for her. Everybody felt very protective toward Marvel, even though Marvel was a hot stick pilot. 

EC: What role did Blanche Noyes play in the story? 

CD and MW: Blanche Noyes, a pilot and an actress was very important in teaching all the women how to be in front of the cameras, and how to give a good interview. Because of her indirectly the name “Powder Puff Derby” came about. The women pilots were getting ready for some press, and they all had brown and black sort of greasy mess all over their faces, sweaty, and then they would take their goggles off and they would have these white eyes staring at you, looking like a racoon. She taught them how to powder around their eyes, to even out their skin tone, so they didn’t look like freaks on camera. After the first race, they were all lined up on a stage and Blanche said ‘everybody, pull out your compacts and powder around your eyes.’ Will Rogers saw them doing it and he called it the ‘Powder Puff Derby.’ It stuck and infuriated the women because it was a derogatory term. It was like calling them petticoat pilots. It was another way of saying arm candy. 

EC: Why didn’t the women talk about the sabotage? 

CD and MW: They had a pact. They were going to be ladies and they were not going to whine because everybody was waiting for them to whine so they could print horrible headlines about, ‘oh, these poor little women just can’t take it. See, we told you.’ They had a pact that lasted until their dying breath. They never talked about the sabotage. The only time they ever voiced it was during the inquiry meetings. They formed a sisterhood. A scene in the book where Amelia Earhart, busted her propeller. They all waited for her new propeller instead of taking off as they were supposed to get a leg up and winning because she was grounded. They said, ‘We’re here to fly against each other. We are going to wait till you fix your plane, and then we’ll go again.’ 

EC: What do you want readers to get out of the story?  

CD and MW: How to face a challenge. I want people to understand that nothing feels like achievement. I think another really, important theme of the story is what is possible when you work together and you come together as colleagues, respect each other, and bring friendship with hard work. Never refuse to quit, because great things can be accomplished. And this race single-handedly opened the door for women pilots to follow. So, they were really breaking gender walls. 

EC: Cindy, did being a former Air Force pilot influence you? 

CD: Maybe I would never be a pilot if not for these women. I look at this and I think to myself, these women are amazing. They’re amazing just as they are. And I wanted to write them in full color. I wanted it to be more than a history book. I wanted to bring it out and say, ‘There’s big personalities here.’ These women plowed the road. I see doors where these women were met with walls. I wrote about the flying stuff. 

EC: Next book? 

CD: The next book on my horizon, will probably be the third Helen Warwick. It’s already sold for television, but that doesn’t mean anything, since I don’t control the timetable or money, all of that is way out of my control. 

MW: I am writing a psychological thriller but there is no release date. 

THANK YOU!! 

BIO: Elise Cooper has written book reviews and interviewed best-selling authors since 2009. Her reviews have covered several different genres, including thrillers, mysteries, women’s fiction, romance and cozy mysteries. An avid reader, she engages authors to discuss their works, and to focus on the descriptions of their characters and the plot. While not writing reviews, Elise loves to watch baseball and visit the ocean in Southern California, with her dog and husband.

Friday Feature Author Interview with Elise Cooper: Deception Point Series by Candace Irving

Elise’s Descriptions and Thoughts

This is part II of the Candace Irving Q/A talking about the “Deception Point Series.” (https://store.candaceirving.com/)

 In part I Candace talked about her “Hidden Valor Series.” (https://avonnalovesgenres.com/friday-feature-author-interview-with-elise-cooper-hidden-valor-military-veteran-k-9-series-by-candace-irving/)

There are similarities between both series in that each has great characters, very unlikeable antagonists, an intense plot, some romance, and a riveting story that readers will not want to put down.  The author allows readers to connect emotionally with the characters. The differences are that the “Hidden Valor Series” takes place mainly in Arkansas, with the heroine, Kate, a retired CID officer, now working with the State law enforcement, while in the other series the heroines move around the globe and are active duty, having a partner both romantically and professionally: Kate with Arash, Regan with John, and Mira with Riyad.

With both series, books should be read in order.  The Deception Point Series should be read in this order: Aimpoint, Blind Edge, Back Blast, and Chokepoint. These books involve an active-duty Army investigator, Regan, and an active-duty Navy investigator, Mira, both who are women. It is obvious that Irving has done her due diligence, with the research put in making the stories realistic and believable.

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Author Interview

Elise Cooper: Which series came first?

Candace Irving: I wrote Blind Edge of the “Deception Point Series” before the Kate “Hidden Valor series.” Also plotted a few chapters to the next books in the Deception Point Series, Back Blast and Chokepoint. All these books were thought out. Then I was told that many people want plots set inside the US.  As I was riding my bike in Arkansas and saw this seat deserted in a field, a brown bag filled with body parts popped into my head. I went home and The Garbage Man was born featuring Kate Holland. This was published first even though I wanted Blind Edge published before the pull out of Afghanistan.

Originally, I was going to write one book in this series and then another book in the other series, but it did not turn out that way. Those reading the Kate series realized that there is another series, “Deception Point,” and began to read it and love it.

EC:  What is the big difference between the two series?

CI: Hidden Valor has an overriding arc about the characters’ backstory, but each book has a different plot.  Deception Point has a continuing arc throughout the books that is the plot line. Both these series must be read in order.

EC:  Do you agree that the similarity between each series refers to the characters’ backstory?

CI:  Every character has a bad fathers and a Mother MIA.

EC: How would you classify the “Deception Point Series?”

CI:  They involve the military but for me they are really crime thrillers.  They are not like Tom Clancy’s books. Some people thought they are like the Jack Reacher series, but they are not.  They are women and active duty.

EC: The Hidden Valor series has more PTSD references than the Deception Point Series?

CI: Yes, because Kate was very debilitated at the beginning of the series.  She could no longer function in the military. Regan and John do not really have PTSD.

EC:  Would you ever write a third series with just Mira, the featured character in Chokepoint?

CI:  No, she will remain in the “Deception Point Series.” I consider this the active-duty series with Mira featured in a Navy plotline, any Army story will have Regan featured, and a veteran story will feature Kate from the “Hidden Valor Series.” I will give a heads up that there will be a crossover between Regan and Kate in the “Hidden Valor series.” Regan is undercover as herself and is investigating a case in Arkansas.  Remember in the book, In the Name Of, there were a couple of phone calls between Regan and Kate.  But in the crossover book, Regan and Kate will be together since Regan is Kate’s protege.

EC:  Why did you have Regan get pregnant?

CI: At first, I was going back and forth if I should take it out.  But then I decided to keep it.  I know some people ask why she would have sex without protection, but she really thought she could never get pregnant.

EC: How would you compare your three female heroines: Kate, Regan, and Mira?

CI: Regan can mask her feelings: reading facial expressions, while only to a certain extent, Kate and Mira can, because they were taught that as part of their jobs. Regan can lie and people cannot tell, including pretending she likes someone when she really doesn’t, while Mira cannot quite mask her feelings. 

Kate has more compassion because of what happened to her and is more forgiving of others’ mistakes than Mira and Regan. Mira has a chip on her shoulder because she was charged with a crime yet was innocent.

All of them feel guilt. Kate because her best friend was beheaded, and she is determined to prove to her father’s ghost that she is a good investigator. Regan because her dad was a dirty cop; and Mira feels guilty because she never had to deal with the emotional abuse inflicted on her brother by her dad.

All are confident and self-assured.  Mira has a temper, especially when people get in her face she gets right back in that person’s face. All are gutsy, if knocked down they all will get back up. They are all loners but are not lonely because they have friends and good support systems.

EC: Why was Kate retired and Mira/Regan active duty?

CI: I took some real elements that are common to those who served and combined them together so a lot of veterans can relate to part of her having PTSD. Because she had so much trauma, she knew she could no longer serve. I also want to differentiate between each series, so she is not active-duty, and the others are. Regan has her arm problems that when stressed she does not have a lot of control over, but it would not force her out of the Army. She did have to learn how to make her left hand her dominant hand.

EC: How would you compare your three male heroes: Arash, John, and Riyad?

CI: I wanted them all to be different although parts of Arash and John are my husband. Many readers think Riyad is a jerk, but it is because of his background. He takes no prisoners and makes no excuses. John is willing to own up to his mistakes.  Riyad and John are active-duty Special Forces where they know how to be confrontational, while Arash was in military intelligence, knowing how to get what he wants without getting in someone’s face. Riyad does not consider any other opinions and expects people to do it his way, the SEAL mentality. To a certain extent Riyad has tunnel vision because of what happened to him when he was a SEAL commander. In their own way each are stubborn, sarcastic, but stoic.

EC:  How would you compare all three relationships: Kate/Arash, Regan/John, and Mira/Riyad?

CI: Each hero gets under the heroines’ skin. Kate and to some degree Regan will cut Arash and John slack, while there is no way Mira allows Riyad any slack. Riyad would get in Mira’s face and say no and John would do the same things with Regan. Arash is clever on how he approaches his disagreements with Kate. All are driven. John and Riyad blame first and then questioned later regarding Regan and Mira, although John is willing to realize he was wrong, and say he is sorry, for his assumptions.  Riyad gets upset with himself for calling Mira ‘woman’ because he cares for her, while she is starting to understand him after knowing his background. All the heroes are chauvinistic. All the heroes and heroines are caring, intense, compassionate, persistent, and protective.

John/Regan and Arash/Kate feel secure in their relationships. I would say that John is on one end of the spectrum of their feelings and reactions, Arash is in the middle, and Riyad is on the other end.

EC: Next Book(s)?

CI: With both series I know what will happen in the current book I am writing, maybe with the next book, but not with other books in the future. I am a linear writer in that I start at the beginning and plot every single chapter in succession. In the next Regan book, Pitch Black, which will come out in January 2026, Mira will be kidnapped after she and Riyad travel to Saudi Arabia for an investigation. Mira and John end up in Yemen with Regan and Riyad working together to find them.

The next Kate book, Blood on the Wire, will be published in August of this year. The relationship with Arash will progress. Also, her former partner Seth’s story will be a part of this story. The case involves a psychologist at a Little Rock VA hospital who was found brutally stabbed to death. In the victim’s house, Kate is stunned to discover a cache of military-grade explosives. Plus, the psychologist was conducting a private investigation into a heinous crime that occurred more than two years ago in an active war zone. Bodies have begun to multiply.

THANK YOU!!

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BIO: Elise Cooper has written book reviews and interviewed best-selling authors since 2009. Her reviews have covered several different genres, including thrillers, mysteries, women’s fiction, romance and cozy mysteries. An avid reader, she engages authors to discuss their works, and to focus on the descriptions of their characters and the plot. While not writing reviews, Elise loves to watch baseball and visit the ocean in Southern California, with her dog and husband.